Ep 254: You’re Paying Too Much Tax! (And How to Reduce It!) with Chuck & Davis Oliver

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If you’ve ever found yourself staring at a massive tax bill and wondering, “Is there a better way?” — this episode of the Next Level Income Show is for you. I sat down with Chuck and Davis Oliver, the father-son team behind The Hidden Wealth Solution, to talk about the powerful — and legal — strategies they use to help high earners, W-2 employees, and business owners keep more of their money. And let’s be honest — it’s not about making more money, it’s about keeping more of what you already make.

Chuck kicked things off with a powerful truth bomb: “The biggest scam in life is paying taxes on the money we make, paying taxes on the money we spend, and taxes on the things we own that we already pay taxes on with already taxed money.” It hit hard — because it’s true. Most people think taxes are just something you deal with in April. But what Chuck and Davis are doing is shifting the mindset: what if you planned for taxes the same way you planned for retirement or investments?

We explored real-world case studies that showed how people reduced their effective tax rate by more than 20% using legitimate tax codes like Section 181 (for film investments) and Section 179 (through equipment leasing businesses). In one example, a W-2 employee making $1.4 million used a $225K investment to generate over $330K in tax savings. In another, a retired pilot making over $900K in income brought his tax burden down by over $240K using a strategic equipment leasing model. These aren’t loopholes — they’re written directly into the tax code. The difference is, most people (and even their CPAs) just don’t know how to use them.

We also talked about the why behind these strategies. Chuck created Hidden Wealth after becoming fed up with overpaying in taxes himself. Having been self-employed since he was 19, he realized the key to building wealth wasn’t just about smart investing — it was about reducing the drag of taxes that compound over time. If you’re not accounting for tax strategy, you’re losing money year after year, and eventually, decade after decade.

Davis shared how his own career in oil and gas opened his eyes to how the wealthy use private investments for both income and tax savings. But what’s truly inspiring is how accessible these strategies can be. You don’t need to be ultra-wealthy. If you’re a high-income earner (say $200K+ single or $300K+ married), you’re in the sweet spot. And even if you’re not there yet, understanding this now can change your financial future.

This isn’t just about money either — it’s about legacy. We covered how strategic tax planning isn’t just for you, but for your kids and grandkids. Taxes don’t go away when you die — without a plan, your estate could be taxed again, eroding the wealth you’ve worked so hard to build.

To wrap up the episode, Chuck reminded us that “there are two tax systems in this country: one for the informed and one for the uninformed — but they’re the same system.” If you’re not using these tools, you’re the one paying for those who are. If you’re interested in seeing what’s possible for your own situation, check out the free strategy session they offer at taxessaved.com.

This episode wasn’t just packed with insight — it was a wake-up call. Smart investing is key, but smart tax strategy is the multiplier. If you want to build real wealth, start with what you’re already losing — and learn how to keep more of it.

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Meet our guest:

Bio: 

CHUCK:
Radio show host and best-selling author Chuck Oliver is a nationally recognized Wealth Strategist who works with Baby Boomers, Retirees and business owners nationwide who desire asset optimization and wealth preservation planning. Their focus centers around having a written, compressive plan incorporating tax savings, reducing unnecessary market risk, maximizing income and growth while securing peace of mind with asset and estate planning protection. Learn the formula for how clients establish a tax-free income for life that will transfer tax- free to future generations. Chuck helps clients gain direction, confidence and capability with the proven success of The Hidden Wealth Solution. He and his team educate clients on the pillars of asset protection. Protecting clients from known and unknown creditors.

DAVIS:
Davis is a Wealth Strategist. Davis got his start working in the private equity space as an analyst. Davis works with our clients to educate them on wealth building alternatives with a focus on strategic tax savings planning. Davis currently works closely and consults with our clients and our strategic tax team.
Davis is a graduate of The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, earning a degree in economics with a minor in entrepreneurship.
Davis is a devoted triathlete who enjoys competing at the highest level and he has achieved high ranking results as well as qualifying for and competing in, the IRONMAN 70.3 World Championship.

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Christopher Larsen is the founder and Managing Partner of Next-Level Income. Since “retiring” after 18 years in the medical device industry he dedicates his time to helping others become financially independent through education and investment opportunities. Chris has been investing in and managing real estate for over 20 years.

While completing his degree in Biomechanical Engineering and M.B.A. in Finance at Virginia Tech, he bought his first single-family rental at age 21. Chris expanded into development, private-lending, buying distressed debt as well as commercial office, and ultimately syndicating multifamily properties. He began syndicating deals in 2016 and has been actively involved in over $500M of real estate acquisitions.

In addition to real estate, Chris has invested in equities, oil & gas, and small business lending, as well as being active in Venture South, one of the nation’s Top 10 Angel Investing groups. Chris lives with his wife and two boys (and Viszla, Lucy!) in Asheville, NC where he loves spending time with them in the outdoors and enjoying the food and culture that the region has to offer.

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